Realistically what is the worst thing China is doing with your private data? Selling it? If you’re not a Chinese National, at least you don’t fall under their jurisdiction.
If you’re a U.S. citizen, with all the tech oligarchs cozying up to the current administration, I’d be a lot more concerned with Facebook/Twitter/Etc collecting your data.
Realistically what is the worst thing China is doing with your private data?
Probably mapping out the extended support networks of democratic activists in Taiwan to prepare to throw them in jail after a forcible military takeover.
Yep. Pretty off topic though… Thought this was a thread about a Chinese app. You know, the country that’s trying to steal Taiwan, aka imperialism. Just like how the US, England, Russia etc do. It’s actually wrong even if it’s the authoritarian govt you’re rooting for.
Y’all literally brought it up, you don’t get to go “uhhh off topic much?” when you say dumb shit.
Taiwan is China, both governments agree on this as well as all other countries in the world, including the US (officially). The only disagreement is on which is the legitimate government of ALL OF CHINA.
If you think the RoC is the legitimate government of China you need to stop huffing paint or reading CNN.
For the past week the people of China and the United States, as well as other countries have been comparing notes. Debunking propaganda on both sides. Realizing that much of what we’ve all been told for years/decades, has been lies.
For starters, that the Uyghur genocide is yet another piece of atrocity propaganda from the US. We know what a genocide looks like and how it’s impossible to hide in the modern world, as Gaza showed.
Blurry satellite pictures of buildings and a German fascist swearing it for ten pages (financed by Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin) isn’t proof.
Because there are some functional governments in the world that don’t allow US misinformation to spread without challenge.
They also suppress Falun Gong, are you telling me that’s in and of itself proof that their cultist shit is one hundred percent true? If so tell me so I can laugh my ass off
Lmao. Mehdi Hasan is an opportunist. You can check Uyghurs living in China rather than ones deliberately selected by a known ally of the US, Qatar. Extraordinary claims require proof and I haven’t seen anything other than hearsay, which is the first weapon of the CIA as with Saddam’s WMDs and Park Yeonmi’s claims of the DPRK making people pull trains by hand lmao.
If you have any evidence that isn’t “I swear they do it”, I’ll be waiting. Though not holding my breath.
I’m not here to defend the Chinese government or anything, but there is an argument to be made that the US has an equivalency to each one of these things.
CCP officials at tech companies - NSA backdoors
Uyghur slaves - Prison labor aka war on drugs
Taiwan - Gaza/Literally any “3rd world” nation with oil
Censorship - Right wing media empires/red state bills targeted to downplay US atrocities taught in schools
Retaliation against protestors - Police brutality
Social media censorship - Oligarchs owned social media
I think a lot of people are less falling for Chinese propaganda and more overcoming US propaganda.
With the caveat that we have tons of actual evidence for the US equivalent, whereas the claims that China does those things are usually “We absolutely swear they do bro” from the people who swore Hamas was raping babies or whatever.
The US is in the process of deporting all its migrants and threatening invasions on half the world.
I get that gringos don’t want to own up to their complicity by inaction but you oughta stop pontificating about how other governments are worse. Unless they’re called Israel, they weren’t before and they sure as fuck aren’t now.
Lmaooo hurting gringos feelings is being racist? Y’all have had concentration camps for longer than you’ve been without them, you know their fucking addresses and they’re still there.
Do forgive me for throwing y’all’s opinions on racism in the dustbin.
Based on what? The US imprisons more people, kills more people, tortures more people. The only way to argue that China is more oppressive is basically to start with the assumption they are and then work backwards to justify it.
Actually you didn’t. You listed a bunch of accusations against China (which were refuted, you just ignored that), but you didn’t even try to explain how that’s more oppressive than the USA. Even if all your accusations were true, the US is still more oppressive.
Realistically what is the worst thing China is doing with your private data? Selling it? If you’re not a Chinese National, at least you don’t fall under their jurisdiction.
If you’re a U.S. citizen, with all the tech oligarchs cozying up to the current administration, I’d be a lot more concerned with Facebook/Twitter/Etc collecting your data.
Probably mapping out the extended support networks of democratic activists in Taiwan to prepare to throw them in jail after a forcible military takeover.
So democratic activists in Taiwan have extensive networks in the US?
I mean, you said it.
Extensive networks with their close ally? My pearls must be clutched!!
Networks with a foreign actor undermining national sovereignty, which financed several massacres in your country
My country? Not sure what you’re talking about but I know that Taiwan deserves sovereignty. You don’t? Surely you’re not pro imperialism…
I meant in Taiwan but tbh throw a dart at a globe and if you don’t land in the ocean there’s an 80% chance the US has sponsored a massacre there.
Yep. Pretty off topic though… Thought this was a thread about a Chinese app. You know, the country that’s trying to steal Taiwan, aka imperialism. Just like how the US, England, Russia etc do. It’s actually wrong even if it’s the authoritarian govt you’re rooting for.
Y’all literally brought it up, you don’t get to go “uhhh off topic much?” when you say dumb shit.
Taiwan is China, both governments agree on this as well as all other countries in the world, including the US (officially). The only disagreement is on which is the legitimate government of ALL OF CHINA.
If you think the RoC is the legitimate government of China you need to stop huffing paint or reading CNN.
The CCP is significantly more oppressive, gives zero shits about human rights or trademarks or really anyone at all. The US at least pretends to care.
Bro you can stop that narrative. The truth is out now.
What truth? Who talks like this and thinks it means something?
For the past week the people of China and the United States, as well as other countries have been comparing notes. Debunking propaganda on both sides. Realizing that much of what we’ve all been told for years/decades, has been lies.
I’m ootl. What debunks have come out?
For starters, that the Uyghur genocide is yet another piece of atrocity propaganda from the US. We know what a genocide looks like and how it’s impossible to hide in the modern world, as Gaza showed.
Blurry satellite pictures of buildings and a German fascist swearing it for ten pages (financed by Raytheon and Lockheed-Martin) isn’t proof.
If it’s fake why is it censored in Chinese apps and websites?
Because there are some functional governments in the world that don’t allow US misinformation to spread without challenge.
They also suppress Falun Gong, are you telling me that’s in and of itself proof that their cultist shit is one hundred percent true? If so tell me so I can laugh my ass off
You should say that to the faces of the people and families impacted by this. I’m sure they’ll have kind words for someone who denies their existence.
Authoritarian governments whether they’re western or not. Are no friend of the proletariat/people.
Lmao. Mehdi Hasan is an opportunist. You can check Uyghurs living in China rather than ones deliberately selected by a known ally of the US, Qatar. Extraordinary claims require proof and I haven’t seen anything other than hearsay, which is the first weapon of the CIA as with Saddam’s WMDs and Park Yeonmi’s claims of the DPRK making people pull trains by hand lmao.
If you have any evidence that isn’t “I swear they do it”, I’ll be waiting. Though not holding my breath.
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I’m not here to defend the Chinese government or anything, but there is an argument to be made that the US has an equivalency to each one of these things.
CCP officials at tech companies - NSA backdoors
Uyghur slaves - Prison labor aka war on drugs
Taiwan - Gaza/Literally any “3rd world” nation with oil
Censorship - Right wing media empires/red state bills targeted to downplay US atrocities taught in schools
Retaliation against protestors - Police brutality Social media censorship - Oligarchs owned social media
I think a lot of people are less falling for Chinese propaganda and more overcoming US propaganda.
With the caveat that we have tons of actual evidence for the US equivalent, whereas the claims that China does those things are usually “We absolutely swear they do bro” from the people who swore Hamas was raping babies or whatever.
If you think any of those are remotely the same, you’re simply delusional.
It’s true, the atrocities the US is commits are on a far greater scale.
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Correct, the American ones are much worse.
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You make a compelling argument.
about as compelling as the argument you made
No you wouldn’t. If you were, you’d have listen to the many people that probably have corrected you on all those State Department talking points
That’s never happened. And being that you haven’t either, I think it’s a fair guess that it won’t anytime soon.
The US is in the process of deporting all its migrants and threatening invasions on half the world.
I get that gringos don’t want to own up to their complicity by inaction but you oughta stop pontificating about how other governments are worse. Unless they’re called Israel, they weren’t before and they sure as fuck aren’t now.
Get fucked, racist.
Lmaooo hurting gringos feelings is being racist? Y’all have had concentration camps for longer than you’ve been without them, you know their fucking addresses and they’re still there.
Do forgive me for throwing y’all’s opinions on racism in the dustbin.
You cannot be a serious leftist and pretend to be offended by a little “anti-white” rhetoric.
Based on what? The US imprisons more people, kills more people, tortures more people. The only way to argue that China is more oppressive is basically to start with the assumption they are and then work backwards to justify it.
I listed a handful of reasons above, of which no one has denied or refuted. Just downvoted.
Actually you didn’t. You listed a bunch of accusations against China (which were refuted, you just ignored that), but you didn’t even try to explain how that’s more oppressive than the USA. Even if all your accusations were true, the US is still more oppressive.
I see you are sticking with the pack here and going with generic denial and ignoring my arguments rather than actually refuting them.
Lol, everyone can see that both I and others have refuted your arguments. You pretending you can’t see that only makes you look like a sore loser.
I’m not pretending. I actually can’t see them.
I’d say that your client must be broken, but you’re managing to reply to me, despite claiming you can’t see my posts.
now we’ve got another refutopolis warrior.
What does that even mean?
That doesn’t affect people not in china or not bordering china.
that’s pure ideology.