I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?
The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren’t possible under Wayland (yet?).
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?
The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren’t possible under Wayland (yet?).
Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.
https://github.com/splondike/wayland-accessibility-notes/blob/main/talon-requirements.md
It says “X11 disabled by default”, does that imply you can enable it again?
In any case I wish you the best
i’ve heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?
Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.
I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that’ll hopefully have changed
That would be nice. I hope so