I think that you are not allowed to speak freely on most platforms. And when i say speak freely i dont mean to have right to offend people, just to have right to normaly tell your opinion.
I think a Linux focused community is an odd place for this topic.
Hm iznt linux about freedom…? So can you sugest more suitable comunity for this kind of topic?
There is many type of freedom. Linux creators has no public opinions on freefom of sperch. Asklemmy can work for this question
You’re free to say whatever you want. Platforms are also free to not rebroadcast your speech. Both statements can be true.
Well if you mean delete my speach by not broadcust that is directly braking free speach so…
On most platforms, you were never promised “free speech” or entitled to it.
Yes you are, they are advertising their platforms like you are free to comment anything and most people beleave that. Ask anyone if they think youtube will delete their commen even if they didnt offend anyone and they will tell you no way! So people definitly think that you are free to say anything freely, while you are actualy not. Meaby the sites have it vriten in small letters somwhere deep beried in papers but thats obviusly not clear to people. And its beried on purpose. If they are more clear with that people would searc for another platform that wont do that.
Yes you are, they are advertising their platforms like you are free to comment anything and most people beleave that.
I hate to break it to you, that’s your fault for making an assumption (and a bold one at that) or you’re just quite naive. Most places that you sign up for will either have you agree to a Terms of Service, or they’ll make you agree to the rules. I have even more bad news for you: Advertisements usually try their best to show only the “good” of what is being advertised (such as how an advertisement for a toy doesn’t usually make it very clear that batteries are required to use it).
Ask anyone if they think youtube will delete their commen even if they didnt offend anyone and they will tell you no way!
No, they might be angry that their comment was removed, but it’s a pretty common understanding that moderators will remove content at their discretion, even if people don’t necessarily agree with the decision.
I’m not sure why I’m even engaging in this, usually it’s pretty clear when someone gets upset that their “free speech” (that they were never entitled to) is being violated that their intent is to spread hateful content.
Perhaps that isn’t you, but nonetheless that is the group you’re putting yourself in (even if unintentionally) whenever you ride under that banner.
It would also be worthwhile double checking what actual “Freedom of Speech” is and what it covers. Assuming you are referring to the US’ first amendment, it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone other than you and the government (and even then it has its bounds).
As an example, let’s say you’re a writer for a newspaper. The government cannot take down an article that you write in which you criticize them (because that would fall under protected speech, unless you are making direct threats towards someone), but your boss could absolutely say “No way, we’re not publishing that” as they are not a government official.
This doesn’t even just include “Freedom of Speech”, as another example, with the right to assembly you can publicly assemble and protest the government - but it wouldn’t allow you to start a protest on someone’s private property.
That is not true.
Okay, who is promising you free speech then?
It’s mostly the people, not the services themselves. I guess the services don’t want to look anti-democracy and toxic lol. They have the “it’s fine unless I disagree” philosophy while promoting various “freedoms” (often including freedom of speech) which is definitely not meant for establishing literal minority supremacy.
I don’t even see a reason for proving this tbh. It’s something you have to see yourself to be sure and from my experience people who don’t see it are just highly delusional and deranged or something from that category. People that I know personally and that don’t struggle with severe mental illnesses (as those can cause comprehension issues obviously) do see this problem btw.
I run debian, btw
OS DISCRIMINATION, CANCEL THEM! /s
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Yeah, the internet is not the public space it used to be. A lot of sites act as private spaces now.
Yea thats what im thinking also…
That was the big problem on sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit. They advertise themselves as a public square. Then they would censor speech in various ways unknown to the speaker. A lot of people in this thread don’t understand that. In case you are not familiar, sounds like you are, Martin v. City of Struthers (1943). I know these sites aren’t just U.S. citizens, so a lot of the comments come from foreigners who only familiar with their limited freedoms their government allows them.
I agree. Freedom of speech doesn’t exist on the “free” platforms. Nice to see that some sane people who notice it still exist.
Found the libertarian that doesn’t understand the concept of free speech. 😂
As BlueBerryDreams aptly put it:
Freedom of speech is a protection from persecution from the government, not an obligation for all other parties to be exposed to your speech. Websites are private spaces, and like most private spaces, have their own rules to abide by. It’s their right to make those rules whatever they want, and people can choose the rules that make a more pleasant space to occupy.
Nobody is obliged to broadcast your opinion if they don’t like what you say.
True and that’s why closed communities (women only, trans only etc) exist. But if a community presents itself as open, not broadcasting something does say something about its morality imo.
No actyaly noone have to read my comment if they dont find it interesting. Or noone have to read my post if they dont see it interesting. Removing of comments and posts are directly wiolating freedom of speach.
Websites are private spaces, and like most private spaces, have their own rules to abide by. It’s their right to make those rules whatever they want
That includes removing whatever post they like or dislike. If you post something against the terms of service and your post gets removed, that’s on you.
Nobody is obligated to amplify your opinion.
Noone is amplifing my opinion, they are just letting us all have our opinions. And they are not removing comment that are violating their terms of service they are removing coments that they dont like, even if they dont violate any terms. Also they are making terms of service very shady and unclear and brod so it gives them right to remove anything they dont like. Also they are not up front about it. If they honestly say yes we will remove any comment that we dont like than people would search for another platform that wont do that. This way they are directly deceiving people in thinking that they have freedom to tell their opinion when in reality they dont.
What do you think the terms and conditions when you make accounts are? That’s why they make you agree to them up front. You chose not to read them and ignore them.
On YouTube the channel operator and the company have a say in how they want their space to be. You have no right to insist on being heard in every damn room you enter. That includes “just leaving a comment for those that want to read it”
If the person or company doesn’t want your opinion in their room it is their right to remove it. Like it or not.
As of youtube, first of all thats not their space thats public space and they souldnt have pover to controll it. And im not hierd automaticly because i left a comment. There are many comments on video and i dont read them all so they are not hierd as you sad. But if someone wants to read my comment they should be free to do so. You dont have right to delete my comments. No its not their right to remove it, becayse i dont leave comment for them i leave comment for all the people that are watching a video.
Let me tap on the sign again cause you don’t seem to understand:
Websites are private spaces, and like most private spaces, have their own rules to abide by. It’s their right to make those rules whatever they want
YouTube is not a public space It’s YouTubes room. They make the rules and yes they have the power. What part don’t you understand?
Whatever comment you are leaving is unwelcome by the channel creator or YouTube and it’s within their rights to remove it.
Once again: No one is obligated to host your opinion in a private space. YouTube is not a public space.
So come on tell us. What’s the big truth you’ve been posting onto people’s YouTube channels?
No you are wrong, is it realy fair to put one small “i agree” button and have milion pages of text behand it? Is it ok to let people agree to all that text vithout realy reading it? No ofcourse not its built that way on purpose. Its by design made to lure you to just click ok without reading it, because thats what they want. They dont want you to read it, they want you to just clikc ok so they can continey to do what they want without you even knowing anything. It should be forbiden by law that you make text longer than 10 sentenses. Because realisticly noone can read it. Imagine that you need to read a 100 pages of text for every single app that you want just to try out. Imagine that you need to read 100 pages whenever new small update comes out for your system on your smartphone. And imagine doing the same for your pc, and also for every single app that you have. Every time new update comes out you need to read a 100 pages. Thats not posible and that should be ilegal!
Ok. So here the fun bit. I’m one of those people that does read them. I look into the privacy policy of the technology and websites that I use.
Most terms of service are very similar and are broken down into categories usually. Finding the content and privacy sections doesn’t take long and once you read a few they all become easier to understand.
You might not like it but “I agree” is enough to be legally binding. Just because you didn’t want to read doesn’t mean others don’t. There are a lot of laws and 10 sentences won’t cover that.
Say whatever you want. If you aren’t spewing literal hate speech, who cares if you offended or upset someone with a different opinion than yours.
Here are a few:
Ai slop is rotting the average persons brain.
Game of Thrones and Breaking bad are fucking boring.
Religions are cults. No exceptions.
Celebrities are the worst part of any media.
Pineapple on pizza isn’t a big deal, what’s more important is that it’s thin crust.
I have the attention span of a midge and breaking bad ain’t boring.
You having an attention span like that explains why you liked it.
Then boring was the wrong word.
Semantics. I posted that to piss people off.
Thanks for showing up for the shit fandom part of the trap.
hate speech
That’s how you liberals suppress all other opinions. Everything is hate speech for you.
Religions are cults. No exceptions.
And here is the example.
Not really, just hate speech. Anti-Zionism being the exception for the libs I guess but it’s not like it’s being used to suppress anything else worthwhile.
I don’t mean to fight but for clarification of everyone reading, you just seem to have said there are not worthwhile things (opinions)…
If you can’t make a point without getting flagged for hate speech you don’t have a point.
Yea i ment ofending directly not ofending by having your own opinion…
What do you mean? Like just insulting people?
Like calling the pope the head of a pedo organization?
Or like calling someone a Nazi for voting for Trump and still being on Twitter?
Well second one is offend but first one is not if the are what you clame. Prety straitforvard, dont call people anything unless they are directly that. So if i call you a narco becayse you listen metall music than its offend but if i call you narco because you put narcotic in your vein than its a fact not offend…
